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Tom Womack ([personal profile] fivemack) wrote2007-07-01 06:20 pm

I've got a call here for Thomas Malthus ...

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2115773,00.html

has the content-free (given that it's from the Observer) title "Organic food under threat".

As far as I can see, they've just discovered that food grows on farms, that there are only finitely many farms, that each farm has only finite yield, and that the reason that farmers moved away from organic food in the first place is that a given amount of land produces a whole lot more food when sown with aggressively-bred grain, fertilised with carefully-bound phosphorus, and freed of pests with targeted insecticides. The demand for organic food in England has just reached equality with the supply, at which point it has to grow at a rate in which new farms can be brought into production, rather than at the rate by which a consumer whim can inflame.

England can't feed England even with the utmost available refinements of agricultural technology. England hasn't been able to feed England with the greatest available refinements of agricultural technology since about 1900 - ask any U-Boat commander. So I'm surprised that people are now surprised to find that England can't feed England if its inhabitants request it to do so with one fertiliser factory tied behind its back.

[identity profile] angoel.livejournal.com 2007-07-01 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Good news for Africa surely - they can sell at a higher price than before.

[identity profile] del-c.livejournal.com 2007-07-01 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
They will either become as accustomed to wealth as an Englishman, and so demand much higher prices for food than we currently enjoy (a demand that I expect to provoke the rich countries into even more savage bombings, invasions, and occupations than they currently inflict on countries that demand too much for their oil); or abandon their farms in turn as the price of food continues to be insufficient to support an English farmer; or forever stay much poorer than the English.

A fourth alternative is that the English themselves will become poor enough again that growing food once again looks like an attractive use of our labour.

[identity profile] fivemack.livejournal.com 2007-07-01 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
My inner socialist does not expect the current wealth differential of the world to remain constant, and does not expect there to be enough resource on the planet to bring everyone to current English levels, so on the scale of centuries expects to end up at about current Polish levels. I don't think that peasant agriculture is an attractive use of labour at that point.

However, the Gini coefficient of the world seems to be moving upwards if it's moving at all, so the world may end up oversupplied with poor peasants (and, given that the Gini coefficient for land ownership has always been enormous) poor landless peasants.

[identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 06:34 am (UTC)(link)
Well, broadly good news for those parts of Africa which are more than self-sufficient in food, and bad news for those which are not.